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Little says Robbins refused to give her access to Mandelson’s vetting report
Little says in March she had a meeting when she asked to see the Foreign Office’s documentation about the decision to grant Mandelson vetting. She said she was asking because this was documentation covered by the humble address. She said was told that “that information would not be forthcoming”.
Little said at that point she decided to request the document directly from UKSV.
I took the very unusual judgment that I should directly request the information from UK Security Vetting.
And I did that because I go back to my responsibilities, to discharge the humble address, which is a responsibility that is unique to me and I take very seriously.
I felt that I needed to see some relevant documentation so that I could advise the prime minister as to whether we had fully complied and gathered the information that it’s available and within scope.
Q: Why did Robbins refuse?
Little said Robbins covered some of that in his evidence. She said she cannot talk about his decisions. “I can only talk about my judgments and decisions.”
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Whittingdale asked how it could be possible for the Foreign Office to have the 10-page UKSV summary report on Mandelson, including the form with the tick in the red box saying clearance should be denied, but Robbins to say he was not aware of that.
Little said the Foreign Office had the document. She said she could not comment on what was or was not shown to Robbins.
Little says due process was followed in Mandelson vetting process
John Whittingdale (Con) said Simon Case, the former cabinet secretary, said the vetting should be carried out before the appointment was announced. Olly Robbins said he thought the same. Is that the Cabinet Office view?
Little said the due process was followed.
(This backs up Keir Starmer’s claim to MPs, that “due process” was followed.)
Q: But the appointment was announced before the vetting had been carried out. Does the Cabinet Office support that?
Little sidestepped the question, saying she only became involved when implementing the humble address.
She said issues about when vetting was carried out would be looked at by Adrian Fulford in his review.
Little says Robbins refused to give her access to Mandelson’s vetting report
Little says in March she had a meeting when she asked to see the Foreign Office’s documentation about the decision to grant Mandelson vetting. She said she was asking because this was documentation covered by the humble address. She said was told that “that information would not be forthcoming”.
Little said at that point she decided to request the document directly from UKSV.
I took the very unusual judgment that I should directly request the information from UK Security Vetting.
And I did that because I go back to my responsibilities, to discharge the humble address, which is a responsibility that is unique to me and I take very seriously.
I felt that I needed to see some relevant documentation so that I could advise the prime minister as to whether we had fully complied and gathered the information that it’s available and within scope.
Q: Why did Robbins refuse?
Little said Robbins covered some of that in his evidence. She said she cannot talk about his decisions. “I can only talk about my judgments and decisions.”
Thornberry said that, in his evidence, Robbins said he tried to get access to that file, but was told he could not see it without a national security reason.
Little said she could not find an audit trail for that request.
Little said that in September last year, just after Mandelson was sacked, the Foreign Office requested to see his vetting file. She said she did not know exactly who saw that document.
Little said UKSV produces a report after the DV process with two recommendations.
One sets out the level of concern and the other sets out the overall recommendation on whether to grant developed vetting that is non-binding.
It is meant to be helpful information for the ultimate decision maker, in this case, the Foreign Office, to make a final decision.
She says the summary report from UKSV on Mandelson ran to about 10 pages.
Little dismisses Olly Robbins’ claim that it was Cabinet Office that suggested Mandelson did not need vetting
Emily Thornberry, the committee chair, starts the questioning.
Q: What can you say about the vetting process for Mandelson?
Little says she does not have records of verbal meetings.
But she has seen an email trail.
She says there was an email dicussion about the process which she has seen.
She says the Foreign Office got in touch the UKSV and the Cabinet Office to see if Mandelson needed developed vetting (DV).
Because the presumption had been that, given Peter Mandelson had been a member of the House of Lords, that the long standing convention that he didn’t require develop vetting was assumed, and they wanted to get proper policy advice from experts on whether that was the case …
I should say it is unusual, although not unprecedented, for a political appointee to take up post as an ambassador.
What I can see is there is a senior official from the Government Security Group that goes back to the Foreign Office security team and advises two things. One, that this is a decision for the Foreign Office, and two, that they would advise developed vetting is sought.
This contradicts a suggestion made by Olly Robbins in his evidence on Tuesday. Robbins said he thought the Cabinet Office had asked if vetting was really necessary. Darren Jones, the chief secretary to the PM, told MPs on Tuesday afternoon that that was wrong, and that in fact it was the Foreign Office that asked if vetting was really needed.
Cat Little, head of Cabinet Office, gives evidence to foreign affairs committee
Cat Little is giving evidence now.
She says she has two key relevant responsibilities.
She is the official responsible for the government’s response to the humble address relating to the disclosure of the Mandleson documents.
And she is permanent secretary of the Cabinet Office, which means she is responsible for services provided to other departments, including UK Security Vetting.
But she was not involved in the decision to appoint Peter Mandelson as ambassador to the US.
And the sanctity of vetting is essential for national security. She says, although overseeing UKSV, she has nothing to do with its day-to-day operations.
Cat Little will only be able to say ‘exactly what she’s been told to say by ministers’, former civil servant leader says
Helen MacNamara, the former deputy cabinet secretary, was on the Today programme this morning talking about the Cat Little hearing. MacNamara, who is best known to the public for standing up to Dominic Cummings, and for her evidence to the Covid inquiry about this, said there would be a limit to what Little could say. Addressing the presenter, she explained:
You said in your introduction there that Cat Little was going to give an account supporting the prime minister. That is literally her job. Cat can’t sit before the committee and say what she thinks or what her own personal opinion is. Her little job is to sit there and say exactly what she’s been told to say by her ministers.
MacNamara said the head of the Cabinet Office should not be giving evidence to the foreign affairs committee anyway.
The foreign affairs select committee is not the select committee that Cat Little, the permanent Secretary of the Cabinet Office, should be going to …
We spent a long time in really turbulent days during Brexit defending the principle that accountability in parliament is proper and that ministers are accountable, and the civil servants who work for them, are accountable for their committees. And this sort of vandalism, where the foreign affairs committee can just call whoever they like in public, [is improper].
Minister claims reports about cabinet divisions over Olly Robbins sacking ‘load of guff’
Alex Norris, the border security and asylum minister, was representing the government on the morning news programmes. He was there to promote the new UK-France small boats deal being signed today. Rajeev Syal has the details.
Inevitably, though, Norris was asked about the stories like the one in the Guardian (see 8.45am) about cabinet divisions over the sacking of Olly Robbins. He opted for the outright denial strategy, telling LBC:
No, it’s a load of guff. If I had a pound, certainly under the previous government, for the number of times I saw cabinet stories in the papers, my St George’s pints would probably be more multiple than there will be in reality.
You would expect a junior minister to say something like this; he won’t get points for accuracy, but he will get credit for loyalty, which matters more to No 10.
But it was an odd comparison to make. Under the Tories, there were multiple newspaper stories about cabinet splits. But they were also largely true, which is why the Conservatives got through three prime ministers in the course of the last parliament.
In an interview with Sky News, asked if he expected Keir Starmer to lead the party into the next elecion, Norris replied: “Yes.”
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Top Cabinet Office official to give evidence to MPs about Peter Mandelson’s vetting
Good morning. As Kiran Stacey, Pippa Crerar and Jessica Elgot report in the Guardian’s splash, “Keir Starmer is looking increasingly isolated over his handling of the Peter Mandelson scandal with divisions emerging in cabinet over his decision to sack the Foreign Office civil servant Olly Robbins.”
And this morning the saga continues, with Cat Little, permanent secretary at the Cabinet Office, giving evidence to the Commons foreign affairs committee about the Peter Mandelson vetting controversy.
The Little hearing is unlikely to be as revelatory as the Olly Robbins session on Tuesday. But Little is a key figure in this story, for two reasons. First, as head of the Cabinet Office, she is in charge of collecting all the documents relating to Mandelson’s appointment as ambassador to the US, and Mandelson’s communications with ministers and officials, which have to be published as a result of the humble address passed by parliament. It was in this capacity that she discovered the UK Security Vetting (UKSV) document that revealed that the UKSV officials who interviewed Mandelson for his developed vetting (DV) advised that he should not get clearance. At a meeting on Tuesday last week she reported this bombshell news to the PM. Here is the extract from the minute of that meeting released by No 10.
Cat set out that the vetting process involved UKSV in the Cabinet Office producing a vetting file which included a recommendation on whether DV should be granted, which was then passed to the sponsor department, in this case FCDO. As part of the humble address process, that file had been shared with Cat. On reviewing the file she had therefore learned that the recommendation from the vetting officer had been that DV should not be granted to Peter Mandelson. There is some discretion for departments to proceed with clearance and the FCDO had exercised it in this case, granting Mandelson vetting clearance. Cat had not seen the audit trail for this decision so we did not yet know on what basis the decision had been taken, contrary to the recommendation.
Second, UKSV is part of the Cabinet Office, which means she has oversight that entire process.
After Keir Starmer learned about this information, and after it was made public by a Guardian report, he sacked Olly Robbins, the Foreign Office permanent secretary, on the grounds that he should have followed the UKSV advice in relation to Mandelson – or at least flagged up these concerns to No 10. As Robbins explained to the committee on Tuesday, he insists that UKSV can only make a recommendation, that the final decision was one for the Foreign Office and its own security team, and that he was fully entitled to conclude that the risks flagged up by UKSV could be managed.
Little may shed some light on this dispute, although we know whose side she will take. Unlike Robbins, she is still a serving civil servant; she works for the PM. It will be surprising if she says anything that will cause him significant embarrassment.
But these hearings are also interesting for what they tell us about the workings of the British state. The Cabinet Office is at the centre of the UK’s security network, and the DV process is one of the most secretive parts of this system. It will be odd if we don’t learn something.
Here is the agenda for the day.
9.30am: Cat Little, permanent secretary at the Cabinet Office, gives evidence to the foreign affairs committee.
9.30am: The ONS publishes crime figures for England and Wales
Morning: Keir Starmer is on a St George’s Day-related visit in the north-east.
11.30am: Downing Street holds a lobby briefing.
Afternoon: Kemi Badenoch is on a visit in Pembrokeshire, with the Welsh Tory leader, Darren Millar.
Afternoon: Starmer attends a military planning meeting at Northwood headquarters as part of strait of Hormuz coalition process
4.30pm: Lord Hermer, the attorney general, speaks at an Oxford University event alongside the Council of Europe secretary general, Alain Berset.
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